us-005578-irn1004880
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date: 1987 May 19
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note: Abbreviated transcript with real time code idents available in departmental files.
scope and content: 15:52 Witnesses Streim and Holtfort, both German attorneys with experience evaluating Nazi documents and strong understanding of the Nazi and particularly SS command hierarchies, testify as to their knowledge of the SS officer school where Barbie received training in 1935-1937. Holtfort explains that a principal objective of the school was to inculcate an understanding and adherence to Nazi ideology. 15:58 The attorney asks Streim and Holtfort to testify to their understanding of the rules SS members had to obey in their day-to-day lives, as well as punishments handed out for disobedience. 16:04 The attorney asks Streim and Holtfort to explain and comment on the Führerprinzip (leader principle), by which Nazi Germany was governed. Holtfort explains that the principle was present everywhere, but that if an order was criminal, one was allowed to not comply if they chose, and would not be killed (as many former Nazis had claimed when on trial after the war). 16:11 The witnesses describe examples of various Nazis' refusal to effectuate the Final Solution or otherwise commit criminal action, who were not killed for refusal to obey orders, but rather sent to the Front to fight instead. 16:16 Holtfort is called on to describe the the system of defense mounted in court by Nazi criminals tried in Germany 16:18 The attorney asks the witnesses about the relationship between the SS and the Wehrmacht: their hierarchical positions, their awards, and particularly their roles in the Izieu raid. He asks whether the Wehrmacht was partially responsible for the 'hunt of Jews.' One of the witnesses replies that in general, the Wehrmacht were not involved in the roundup of Jews in general, nor in the Izieu raid. 16:27 President Cerdini calls a recess 16:53 Cerdini reconvenes the session; calls for the witnesses; calls another recess because the witnesses' whereabouts are unknown 17:00 Cerdini reconvenes the session; introduces the witnesses 17:01 The attorney continues his questioning of…
title: Barbie Trial -- Day 7 -- Two experts testify